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Episode 12 · International

Health first, innovation second: Smisha Agarwal on what needs to change in global digital health

Dr Smisha Agarwal · Director, Center for Global Digital Health Innovation; Associate Professor, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Apr 2025

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About this episode

Some hard truths on global digital health from one of the field's most clear-eyed researchers. Why health systems remain fragile, how digital tools scale without legitimacy, what's wrong with our fixation on significance values, and how global health is stuck in systems that haven't evolved.

Health EquityEvidencePolicyGlobal Health FundingImplementation

We're brought into a system of aid and global development that has stopped questioning how things were done. And the world has progressed, but our field hasn't.

Dr Smisha Agarwal

What we cover

  • 01Why global health systems remain fragile - and how digital tools often scale without legitimacy
  • 02The impact of USAID aid cuts: abruptness, trust, and what was lost
  • 03What's wrong with our fixation on significance values and yes/no impact questions
  • 04Health first: starting with the health outcome you want, then asking whether digital can help
  • 05Community health workers - unpaid, unsupervised, yet expected to power digital systems at scale
  • 06Outcomes proximal to your locus of control: a more honest approach to impact measurement
  • 07Rethinking system-level success: contribution lines, business spreadsheet thinking, and nuance over binary answers
  • 08The Oxford Open Digital Health Journal: challenging colonial structures in academic publishing
  • 09Questioning the status quo - because the field hasn't evolved with the world

About the guest

Dr Smisha Agarwal

Director, Center for Global Digital Health Innovation; Associate Professor, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

Dr Smisha Agarwal, PhD, MPH, MBA, BDS is the Director of the Center for Global Digital Health Innovation and Associate Professor in the Department of International Health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health. Her research focuses on advancing primary healthcare through community health systems and innovative technology, including predictive analytics and machine learning based on routine monitoring data. Over two decades, her work has informed WHO guidelines, donor investment strategies, and national digital health strategies. She is Editor-in-Chief of the Oxford Open Digital Health Journal.

Chapters

00:00Introduction, Smisha's background
05:01Impact of global health aid cuts
10:03Challenges in monitoring and evaluation
15:35Health first: how to think about outcomes and measuring the right things
20:54Supporting healthcare workers as a goal
26:37Impact: measuring what matters
28:39Donor decision-making dynamics
30:09Rethinking system-level success: from yes/no to more nuance
33:50Innovations in academic publishing
37:37Challenging the status quo in global health
42:20Upcoming events in global digital health

Transcript

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